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[VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

hadrian
A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].

Please find the staging repo here:
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/

The tarballs are here
https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/

Tag:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/

Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
binary. Your vote counts!

[ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
[ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
Vote is open for at least 72 hours.

Here's my +1
Hadrian

[1]
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

chris snow
+1

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with approximately
> 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>
> Please find the staging repo here:
> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**orgapachecamel-005/<https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/>
>
> The tarballs are here
> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**
> orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/**camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/<https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/>
>
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/<http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/>
>
> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> binary. Your vote counts!
>
> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Here's my +1
> Hadrian
>
> [1] https://issues.apache.org/**jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?**
> projectId=12311211&version=**12319191<https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191>
>
> --
> Hadrian Zbarcea
> Principal Software Architect
> Talend, Inc
> http://coders.talend.com/
> http://camelbot.blogspot.com/
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Christian Mueller
+1

I tested this version with the Camel in Action source code and all tests
without the chapter "chapter9-xa" test succeed. This test also failed in
other versions before.
The manual is included in the distribution and looks well.
This release looks really well for me.

Thanks you Hadrian,
Christian

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:41 PM, chris snow <[hidden email]> wrote:

> +1
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 5:46 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
> approximately
> > 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
> >
> > Please find the staging repo here:
> >
> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**orgapachecamel-005/
> <https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/>
> >
> > The tarballs are here
> > https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**
> > orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/**camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/<
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/
> >
> >
> > Tag:
> > http://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/<
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/>
> >
> > Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> > binary. Your vote counts!
> >
> > [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> > [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> > Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
> >
> > Here's my +1
> > Hadrian
> >
> > [1] https://issues.apache.org/**jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?**
> > projectId=12311211&version=**12319191<
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191
> >
> >
> > --
> > Hadrian Zbarcea
> > Principal Software Architect
> > Talend, Inc
> > http://coders.talend.com/
> > http://camelbot.blogspot.com/
> >
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Jean-Baptiste Onofré
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+1

Tested with Karaf 2.2.5

Regards
JB

On 03/01/2012 06:46 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
> approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>
> Please find the staging repo here:
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/
>
> The tarballs are here
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/
>
>
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/
>
> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> binary. Your vote counts!
>
> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Here's my +1
> Hadrian
>
> [1]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191
>
>

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Christian Mueller
I also installed the camel features into Karaf 2.2.5. Everything works well
except to install the camel-jclouds feature:

ip-109-85-71-208:bin cmueller$ ./karaf
        __ __                  ____
       / //_/____ __________ _/ __/
      / ,<  / __ `/ ___/ __ `/ /_
     / /| |/ /_/ / /  / /_/ / __/
    /_/ |_|\__,_/_/   \__,_/_/

  Apache Karaf (2.2.5)

Hit '<tab>' for a list of available commands
and '[cmd] --help' for help on a specific command.
Hit '<ctrl-d>' or 'osgi:shutdown' to shutdown Karaf.

karaf@root> feature:add-url
mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/features
karaf@root> feature:install camel-jclouds
Error executing command: Could not start bundle
mvn:org.jclouds/jclouds-core/1.3.1 in feature(s) jclouds-1.3.1: Unresolved
constraint in bundle jclouds-core [58]: Unable to resolve 58.0: missing
requirement [58.0] package; (package=javax.annotation)


The package is exported by Karaf with version 1.1.0.

karaf@root> package:export | grep javax.annotation
     0 # javax.annotation; version=1.1.0
     0 javax.annotation.processing; version=1.1.0


jclouds-core defines an import without a version range.

karaf@root> headers 79

jclouds Components Core (79)
----------------------------
Specification-Title = jclouds jclouds Components Core
Tool = Bnd-1.15.0
Specification-Vendor = jclouds
Implementation-Version = 1.3.1
Build-Jdk = 1.6.0_29
Implementation-Vendor-Id = org.jclouds.aws.s3
Created-By = Apache Maven Bundle Plugin
Manifest-Version = 1.0
Bnd-LastModified = 1326944828600
X-Compile-Target-JDK = 1.6
Built-By = iocanel
X-Compile-Source-JDK = 1.6
Implementation-Vendor = jclouds

Bundle-Vendor = jclouds
Bundle-Name = jclouds Components Core
Bundle-DocURL = http://www.jclouds.org/
Bundle-Description = Core components to access jclouds services
Bundle-SymbolicName = jclouds-core
Bundle-Version = 1.3.1
Bundle-License = ../resources/LICENSE.txt
Bundle-ManifestVersion = 2

DynamicImport-Package =
    org.jclouds.*
Import-Package =
    com.google.common.base,
    com.google.common.cache,
    com.google.common.collect,
    com.google.common.io,
    com.google.common.net,
    com.google.common.primitives,
    com.google.common.util.concurrent,
    com.google.gson;version="[2.1,3)",
    com.google.gson.internal;version="[2.1,3)",
    com.google.gson.internal.bind;version="[2.1,3)",
    com.google.gson.reflect;version="[2.1,3)",
    com.google.gson.stream;version="[2.1,3)",
    com.google.inject;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.google.inject.assistedinject;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.google.inject.binder;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.google.inject.matcher;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.google.inject.name;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.google.inject.spi;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.google.inject.util;version="[1.3,2)",
    com.sun.jersey.api.uri,
    javax.annotation,
...

For me, it looks like an issue in Karaf and not in Camel. JB, what do you
think?

Best,
Christian

On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <[hidden email]>wrote:

> +1
>
> Tested with Karaf 2.2.5
>
> Regards
> JB
>
>
> On 03/01/2012 06:46 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:
>
>> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
>> approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>>
>> Please find the staging repo here:
>> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**
>> orgapachecamel-005/<https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/>
>>
>> The tarballs are here
>> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**
>> orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/**camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/<https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/>
>>
>>
>> Tag:
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/<http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/>
>>
>> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
>> binary. Your vote counts!
>>
>> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
>> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
>> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>>
>> Here's my +1
>> Hadrian
>>
>> [1]
>> https://issues.apache.org/**jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?**
>> projectId=12311211&version=**12319191<https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Christian Schneider
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I just tried to test camel 2.9.1 in Karaf 2.2.5 on windows 7.

I added the repository url to the org.ops4j.pax.url.mvn.cfg and used the
jre.properties.cxf as jre.properties.

When I try to do:
features:addurl mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/features
I get a saxparse exception.

cat mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/features
Returns
<html>
<head>
<title>Index of /content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/</title>
....

So it seems karaf can not find the features file in the staging repo.

Any ideas why this happens?

How did others test the new release on karaf?

Christian



Am 01.03.2012 18:46, schrieb Hadrian Zbarcea:

> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
> approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>
> Please find the staging repo here:
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/
>
> The tarballs are here
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/ 
>
>
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/
>
> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> binary. Your vote counts!
>
> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Here's my +1
> Hadrian
>
> [1]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191
>


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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Christian Mueller
Hi Christian!

My env:
Java version: 1.6.0_29, vendor: Apple Inc.
Java home: /System/Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/1.6.0.jdk/Contents/Home
Default locale: en_US, platform encoding: MacRoman
OS name: "mac os x", version: "10.7.3", arch: "x86_64", family: "mac"
Apache Karaf 2.2.5

I changed "$KARAF_HOME/etc/org.ops4j.pax.url.mvn.cfg"
org.ops4j.pax.url.mvn.repositories= \
    http://repo1.maven.org/maven2, \

http://repository.apache.org/content/groups/snapshots-group@snapshots@noreleases,
\
    http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/servicemix/m2-repo, \
    http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/release, \
    http://repository.springsource.com/maven/bundles/external, \
    http://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/releases, \
    https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/


christian-muellers-macbook-pro:bin cmueller$ ./karaf
        __ __                  ____
       / //_/____ __________ _/ __/
      / ,<  / __ `/ ___/ __ `/ /_
     / /| |/ /_/ / /  / /_/ / __/
    /_/ |_|\__,_/_/   \__,_/_/

  Apache Karaf (2.2.5)

Hit '<tab>' for a list of available commands
and '[cmd] --help' for help on a specific command.
Hit '<ctrl-d>' or 'osgi:shutdown' to shutdown Karaf.

karaf@root> features:addurl
mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/features
karaf@root> feature:list-url
 Loaded   URI
  true
mvn:org.apache.karaf.assemblies.features/enterprise/2.2.5/xml/features
  true    mvn:org.jclouds.karaf/jclouds-karaf/1.3.1/xml/features
  true
mvn:org.apache.karaf.assemblies.features/standard/2.2.5/xml/features
  true    mvn:org.apache.cxf.karaf/apache-cxf/2.5.2/xml/features
  true    mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/features


Best,
Christian

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Christian Schneider <[hidden email]
> wrote:

> I just tried to test camel 2.9.1 in Karaf 2.2.5 on windows 7.
>
> I added the repository url to the org.ops4j.pax.url.mvn.cfg and used the
> jre.properties.cxf as jre.properties.
>
> When I try to do:
> features:addurl mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/**apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/**
> features
> I get a saxparse exception.
>
> cat mvn:org.apache.camel.karaf/**apache-camel/2.9.1/xml/**features
> Returns
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>Index of /content/repositories/**orgapachecamel-005/</title>
> ....
>
> So it seems karaf can not find the features file in the staging repo.
>
> Any ideas why this happens?
>
> How did others test the new release on karaf?
>
> Christian
>
>
>
> Am 01.03.2012 18:46, schrieb Hadrian Zbarcea:
>
>  A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
>> approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>>
>> Please find the staging repo here:
>> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**
>> orgapachecamel-005/<https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/>
>>
>> The tarballs are here
>> https://repository.apache.org/**content/repositories/**
>> orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/**camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/<https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/>
>>
>> Tag:
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/**asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/<http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/>
>>
>> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
>> binary. Your vote counts!
>>
>> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
>> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
>> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>>
>> Here's my +1
>> Hadrian
>>
>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/**jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?**
>> projectId=12311211&version=**12319191<https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
> Christian Schneider
> http://www.liquid-reality.de
>
> Open Source Architect
> Talend Application Integration Division http://www.talend.com
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

iocanel
Hi,

Regarding the jclouds feature issue, in a vanilla karaf 2.2.5 the jclouds
issue does properly get installed.
However, in some cases (tuning the jre properties etc) you might have
issues unless of course you install the osgi bundles for the packages you
mask.
An other note is that camel-jclouds or jclouds will not work at all if cxf
is installed. This is an issue I already have addressed in jclouds-karaf
master and will be fixed in the next release.

If you consider this a blocker, I can cut a 1.3.1_1 release asap.

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Claus Ibsen-2
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Ioannis Canellos <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Regarding the jclouds feature issue, in a vanilla karaf 2.2.5 the jclouds
> issue does properly get installed.
> However, in some cases (tuning the jre properties etc) you might have
> issues unless of course you install the osgi bundles for the packages you
> mask.
> An other note is that camel-jclouds or jclouds will not work at all if cxf
> is installed. This is an issue I already have addressed in jclouds-karaf
> master and will be fixed in the next release.
>
> If you consider this a blocker, I can cut a 1.3.1_1 release asap.
>

IMHO definitely no. Camel has 120+ components, and we cannot guarantee
that they work all 120 out of the box
in any way people install and tweaker their containers. As well across
the number of containers
people use. Its been 2 months since the 2.9.0 release and we owe to
the community to get
a new release out.





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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Claus Ibsen-2
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+1

On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 6:46 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea <[hidden email]> wrote:

> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with approximately
> 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>
> Please find the staging repo here:
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/
>
> The tarballs are here
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/
>
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/
>
> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> binary. Your vote counts!
>
> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Here's my +1
> Hadrian
>
> [1]
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?projectId=12311211&version=12319191
>
> --
> Hadrian Zbarcea
> Principal Software Architect
> Talend, Inc
> http://coders.talend.com/
> http://camelbot.blogspot.com/



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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Babak Vahdat
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+1

Babak
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

iocanel
Makes sense!

+1


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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Willem.Jiang
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+1

Willem

On 3/2/12 1:46 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
> approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>
> Please find the staging repo here:
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/
>
> The tarballs are here
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/
>
>
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/
>
> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> binary. Your vote counts!
>
> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Here's my +1
> Hadrian
>
> [1]
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

Johan Edstrom-4
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+1

On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:26 AM, Babak Vahdat wrote:

> +1
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> Babak
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[RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Camel 2.9.1

hadrian
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The vote passes with:

[5] +1 (hadrian, cmueller, cibsen, joed, ningjiang)
[4] +1 non-binding
[0] -1

Thanks to all who voted. I will take care of the publishing the
artifacts to maven central and then push the distro to the apache
mirrors, update the site and make the official announcement.

Hadrian


On 03/01/2012 12:46 PM, Hadrian Zbarcea wrote:

> A new patch release candidate apache-camel-2.9.1 is out with
> approximately 108 issues resolved so far: improvements and bug fixes [1].
>
> Please find the staging repo here:
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/
>
> The tarballs are here
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachecamel-005/org/apache/camel/apache-camel/2.9.1/
>
>
> Tag:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/camel/tags/camel-2.9.1/
>
> Please review, help out with testing and vote to approve this release
> binary. Your vote counts!
>
> [ ] +1 Release the binary as Apache Camel 2.9.1
> [ ] -1 Veto the release (provide specific comments)
> Vote is open for at least 72 hours.
>
> Here's my +1
> Hadrian
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